The sad Truth about the AC„Den Ezelhoek“ in Rollegem (BE) and its inhabitant Andi O.

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For me, an Autonomous Center is an open, self-governed, anti-authoritarian, secure space for people of all ages, races, genders, sexual orientations, or whatever else to come together, create projects together and make it a safe places away from the cruel and capitalistic world.

The so called Autonomous Center in Rollegem (I will from now on refer to it as „the house“ as I dont want to call it AC) is the farthest thing from that and I feel obliged to tell about it.

I am not from Belgium, but I lived in this place for about 4 months in 2012 and it was the most horrible time of my life.

They call themselves squatters, but the house actually belongs to the father of one of the guys (I will refer to this guy as ***). In the beginning they all lived there for free but when *** left for a travel his friends suddently had to pay rent to his dad. It would have been possible to talk with his father and avoid the rent, but no attempts had been taken.
Since he returned from his travel his friends still have to pay rent. Again he didnt try to stop the rent.

They call themselves autonomous, but actually no one is allowed to decide anything but ***. If you change anything to make the place nicer he will yell at you and rip it down.

They call themselfes Anarchists, but decisions are not made together, no discussions, no consens, no meetings. It was ***'s way or no way.

They call themselves ecological, but the garden was a mud hole, where all the time people slipped walking up to the house and hurt themselfs. To avoid further injuries I put alot of work into the garden, making a path out of stones I collected in the fields, sewed gras next to it and made a little vegetable bed.
His reaction: he yelled three days and threatened to destroy it all. In the end he didnt but he showed no respect to the little plants. While a few meters away he made his own vegetable bed and became furious if anyone touched it.

The sentence I heard most was „Don't do that, *** wont like it.“

They call themselve left, but they where all open about their anti-gay opinions (which in respect to my beloved gay friends i will not quote here) and their disrespect against women was also more than obvious. Degrading comments about your girlfriend as soon as she left the house was an every day joke.

Over all, there was alot of yelling at each other, people that disagreed with *** got yelled at and insulted, called „stupid retards that should go kill themselves“ and thrown out of the house.

Andi O.
I got to live in the house because of my then-boyfriend Andi.
He always talked about Buddism and RiotGrrrl-Bands but sarcastically was a very violent person, who repeatedly beat me up when I didn't do what he wanted.
I was not allowed to talk to any of the other guys while he was not there because he was so heavily jealous. Whenever I wanted to break up with him he beat me through the living room, took my stuff away, threatened to thrown me out without my phone or money, while locking me into the house. When I tried to run away once he followed me to the train station and pulled me out of the train and threatened to kill himself, me, my parents and all my friends if I left him. He broke my glasses so I wouldnt find my way to the train.
He repeatedly jelled at me, pushed me, and used physical and mental force and manipulation to make me stay with him against my will.
When I finally found the strengh to get away from him, he continued to harras me and my friends via internet for 3 months.

I dont know this for sure, but I just cannot believe that no one in the house noticed how horrible the situation was for me. Still, no one said anything and it was clear to me that they either didnt care or where on his side.

I admit that I was a bit naive at the time and I just didnt expect anything like this when I first got there. For a long time I blamed myself for letting myself get into this and not beeing able to leave sooner.

But now I can finally say: NO! This was NOT my fault!

I am not responible for the behaviour of others and I cannot accept a place like that and a person like that to continue doing political work, calling themselves something they are not and maybe risking some other women to get into the same situation like me.

So please! Keep your eyes and ears open about the „AC“ Den Ezelhoek. Tell others to watch out.
Don't let anyone destroy our safe places in this fucked up world.

does anyone know the people

does anyone know the people in the article and made similar experiences?



Ik weet wie dit artikel geschreven heeft. Ik kom zelf regelmatig in den ezelhoek. De relatie tussen Andi en dat meisje is idd scheef gelopen. Maar van de beschuldigingen in het artikel is niets aan. Ok den ezelhoek is nog ver van utopia. Maar iemand opsluiten in een huis zonder sloten is moeilijk.
Vraag ééns rond in gent, daar kun je ook de andere kant horen. Het is jammer dat het op deze manier uitgevochten moet worden.
Verder maak ik er geen woorden aan vuil.

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Deze aanvulling voldeed niet aan de spelregels. troll.

So there!

This place can be raided, and it's dumb male asses should get a big officer banana.
Kijk uit voor pseudotiepjes, lieve jongens en meisjes.

When I got to know Christina

When I got to know Christina K. her 'fight' was against the singer of
this band I who had taken advantage of her...and, as far as she was
concerned the rest of the band wasn't much better, telling sexist jokes;
cheating on their wife while being on tour etc etc. And yes, I, and
others with me have also believed those words. Back then it was that
band who didn't live up to the values they were singing about etc
etc...something C. felt obliged to tell the world about.

So. For weeks I have seen this article popping up everywhere without
having felt the need or desire to react to it, because I, and the people
around me, the people that used to live in this house etc. knew where
this was coming from and well, we just did not even find it worthy to
react to what is obviousely another desperate cry for attention.

That is, untill Christina found it to be necessary to attack a bunch
of people who have ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with this at all. This
'article' is about two people in general. The band that was targeted
this week, the band that was warned about has exactly ONE person as a
member. Myself I have nothing more to do with that band except thay they
are my friends.

Now, what I see in this is indeed nothing but a cry for attention.
I, nor the guys of the band she spread rumors about before are
responsible for the pain and anger felt by this author of this article
long before we ever met her.

So. Are these women rights then? The right to break down every guy
(and along with him all of his friends) because they could not live up
to expectations that were created by the girl involved for herself?

This is NOT a defence. This is hate propaganda which does nothing
else but false accuse a whole group of people. Like I said, I've seen
her do the same thing with the guys of that band in 2011 and sadly
enough, I believed those words then. For too long I did not doubt her
words, untill, I finally got to talk with the people of that band again,
which gave me the proverbial other side of the coin.

And, when it comes to what is being writting in this article: well,
there are many other sides to each point made in it which are not being
mentioned at all.

Let me put it this way: this article was posted under the name 'cassiopeia'. To me, that says more than enough.

You know: these kind of issues is what you get when idealism is being
used the wrong way; when the balance is lost again. I find it a real
shame that this is being regarded as another case of the women being
mistreated. And, where the woman is believed instantely without having
heard the other side of the story. You know, even the riot grrls who
started the whole riot grrl movement have since then become a lot less
radical because many have seen and realized the world isn't as black and
white as they used to think.

I'm very sorry, but this is not the way to find concilation and i'm
afraid that Radhanath is right even though it may not be realized: anger
is indeed a pollution for the mind and soul.
And in the end I also feel sorry for the woman who wrote this. I
don't hate her, I'm not angry...I really just feel sorry, because I know
all too well that after this, there'll just be another guilty party to
point fingers at. This anger is coming from inside of her and it was
there long before I or the singer or the band got into her life, and,
dealing with that anger in this kind of way can unfortunately not bring
any peace of mind at all. I will end this by quoting another very wise
man: 'an eye for an eye will leave the whole world blind


And don't hate troubled people.

Pseudotiepjes? Ik zou zeggen

Pseudotiepjes? Ik zou zeggen kijk vooral uit voor 'energievampieren'!

Ik kan echt niet meer zien in deze tekst dan een héél povere poging tot
een persoonlijke afrekening. Spijtig dat alternatieve en onafhankelijke
mediakanalen helaas ook gebruikt kunnen worden door mensen die
vooral problemen hebben met zichzelf.


Op deze site is regel1: nn=trol pseudotiepjes is ong hetzelfde denk ik alleen dan wat meer subtiel uitgedrukt.

Reaction and demands to the article: The sad Truth about the AC

We are a group of activists from Celle (northern germany) and take this article and the raised accusations very seriously.

At the one hand, because we know the author personally and we consider her very well trustworthy.
But also one cannot dismiss an accusation like that by portraying the affected woman as “hysterical shrew“ or pissed off ex (that's how Andi O.'s counterstatement sounds to us).

Again and again women who fight against oppression of men are defamed in that way.
Too many female friends of us have suffered violence by men and weren't listened to, it happened too often in our scene, too many carry those scars for the rest of their lifes!

As ProFeminists we also think that the burden of proof does not lie with the affected person.
To us the demand for proof is not only absurd but rude.

Some of the critics about the lifestyle of the people in the A.C. mentioned in the article are debatable to us.
We all act upon different maxims and we find it hard to judge from the outside what others define as their possible form of living.

But in no way are we willing to debate about dealing with homophob, sexist or misogynous persons.
Solidarity has to be withdrawn from these people!
Others have to be protected from these people!
Structures and their protectors must be attacked!

In the counterstatement of Andi O. are no comments about the accusations against him at all.
He only tries to paint a pictue of Christina as a dogmatic ideologist, the world and all men hating (basically) evil woman.
To proof his point he writes: she supposedly tried this with some Band before.
We do not believe this picture, quite the contrary!

We follow her article since its puplication two months ago and meanwhile we can find it on pages from germany up to canada.
But we can not understand why there has been no reaction/ no taking position from groups or projects in belgium at all.
Antisexism is part of our daily political work and definitely no private problem.
Her article was surely not published to give Andi O. another chance to throw mud at her, but to point out this problem and especially this case in our scene.

We demand that projects and people in the surrounding of the A.C. Den Ezelhoek comment this case and take position!
(especially in the region Gent because of the post on indymedia Bruxsel: …„Ask around ghent and you will get the other side of the story.“)

Sdg. A group of activists from Celle


Deze reactie is tevens als zelfstandige bijdrage hier gepost: Reaction and demands to the article: The sad Truth about the AC, .

(Door de mods hier, of hebben de posters dat zelf gedaan? Ik heb werkelijk geen flauw idee.)

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