I appreciate your contribution to the discussion, but I tend to disagree in some things you say. Because the way to gain mass support is through actions. Otherwise it's just hollow words and nobody's looking for that. You say that many people see the dutch state as legitimate. Firstly, we have nothing to do with people who agree with the state, they are not a part of "us" - so why legitimize their narrative? Why play into it? We have nothing to explain to them. We are not them. Secondly, there are many many people in this region who don't like the state but they are not heard. The media is owned and controlled by the rich. And to focus only on gaining mass support without fighting back, that's not building a movement. A movement you build it through acting together. Of course there is the theory but it cannot exist without practice. People cannot support a resistance that's invisible, an action that's not happening, their body cannot learn from an experience that they haven't had. Non-active ways of trying to gain mass support have only lead to deception. We have a long history of cooptation and segregation. Fear of repression only serves to pacify us (that's what the repression is for: if we become passive because of repression, then they already won without even executing the repression). "Mutual aid" is practically made impossible/illegal already. Of course we should try to be tactical and be aware of the danger of self-sabotage, but every moment of non-insurrection is a moment for the enemy to easily expand the surveillance state (and so it has been) - so that's a serious paradox right there. At the end nobody can stay safe from repression, so I don't care if this "cocoon" is destroyed because it is about to time to mature ourselves, actually. Our biggest danger is the segregation and the fact that many acts of oppression and violence done by the dutch state are almost secretly done and nobody hears or knows much about it. To take action against the oppression and to make it more known, is the best defense we have because they will come to understand "an attack on one of us, is an attack on all of us" . Yes there is the chance of very severe repression - but we have to trust that other comrades will pick up where we left. You cannot grow (in numbers as well as in emotional strength) without trying and trying means risking. And I'm not against the tactics of being tactical, but there is a reason why some people say "now or never". Tomorrow doesn't exist
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I appreciate your contribution to the discussion, but I tend to disagree in some things you say. Because the way to gain mass support is through actions. Otherwise it's just hollow words and nobody's looking for that. You say that many people see the dutch state as legitimate. Firstly, we have nothing to do with people who agree with the state, they are not a part of "us" - so why legitimize their narrative? Why play into it? We have nothing to explain to them. We are not them. Secondly, there are many many people in this region who don't like the state but they are not heard. The media is owned and controlled by the rich. And to focus only on gaining mass support without fighting back, that's not building a movement. A movement you build it through acting together. Of course there is the theory but it cannot exist without practice. People cannot support a resistance that's invisible, an action that's not happening, their body cannot learn from an experience that they haven't had. Non-active ways of trying to gain mass support have only lead to deception. We have a long history of cooptation and segregation. Fear of repression only serves to pacify us (that's what the repression is for: if we become passive because of repression, then they already won without even executing the repression). "Mutual aid" is practically made impossible/illegal already. Of course we should try to be tactical and be aware of the danger of self-sabotage, but every moment of non-insurrection is a moment for the enemy to easily expand the surveillance state (and so it has been) - so that's a serious paradox right there. At the end nobody can stay safe from repression, so I don't care if this "cocoon" is destroyed because it is about to time to mature ourselves, actually. Our biggest danger is the segregation and the fact that many acts of oppression and violence done by the dutch state are almost secretly done and nobody hears or knows much about it. To take action against the oppression and to make it more known, is the best defense we have because they will come to understand "an attack on one of us, is an attack on all of us" . Yes there is the chance of very severe repression - but we have to trust that other comrades will pick up where we left. You cannot grow (in numbers as well as in emotional strength) without trying and trying means risking. And I'm not against the tactics of being tactical, but there is a reason why some people say "now or never". Tomorrow doesn't exist